You can decide for yourself....

I received the cemetery records today on 24 Oct 2014, and it does verify all family members buried in the same family plot. 
Union Cemetery
Steubenville
Jefferson County
Ohio, USA
Plot: Section: St P; Lot: 62

Yet, all SAC's by me made to said person who created the memorials has been denied and/or rejected. I originally submitted six (6) SAC's to the person in question which were declined.

Although this is for a memorial on find a grave. I will add the fact my grand aunt Edna Barbara Horner married into the Archer family. There were two Horner lineages of Jefferson County, Ohio.
I have thoroughly researched my lineage as well as all Horner's of Jefferson County, Ohio.

This person who created the memorial for William J Archer refuses to accept the SAC's as provided by me are consistently rejected by Dani Ryan.

Dani Ryan is not related to my Horner lineage, and therefore is not related in anyway to the Archers or Elliotts of Jefferson County, Ohio.

How would you deal with a find a grave person who refuses to accept SAC edits because there are no dates on a headstone?

I have the death records for exact dates of death.

Any input would be appreciated. Also I have the obituary for William J Archer, which mentions the first wife's name as Mary Ann, and maiden name of Chapman for said spouse yet the same person who created the memorial refuses to accept fact because the name of the headstone is Annie and the death record is for Mary Ann. There are no dates on the headstone.

You can decide for yourself....

The obituary or biographical sketch on the find a grave memorial for William J Archer is erroneous and misleading to other researchers.

I see no mention of his first wife's maiden name as Weir, see attached obituary.
 

He was born in Ware, England. - FACT

This is the info on hand.

William J Archer, born 20 May 1845 in Ware, England was married in 1865 to his first wife, Mary Ann nee Chapman. Mary Ann Archer nee Chapman died on 8 Jun 1876 in Steubenville, Ohio. William J Archer then then married Emma Lauretta Elliott of Steubenville on 27 Jan 1877, after his first wife's death.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 for William James Archer and Mary Anne Chapman

Steubenville Herald August 15, 1890 - William J Archer obituary

William J Archer
find a grave memorial - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=27355272

William James Archer         

England and Wales, Birth Registration Index

Name:	William James Archer
Event Type:	Birth Registration
Registration Quarter:	Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year:	1845
Registration District:	Ware
County:	Hertfordshire
Event Place:	Ware, Hertfordshire, England
Volume:	VI
Page:	578
Line Number:	9

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William James Archer

England Births and Christenings

Name:	William James Archer
Gender:	Male
Christening Date:	06 Jul 1845
Christening Place:	WARE,HERTFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name:	John Archer
Mother's Name:	Mary Ann

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07304-2 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 991400
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William James Archer

England and Wales, Marriage Registration Index

Name:	William James Archer
Event Type:	Marriage
Registration Quarter:	Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year:	1865
Registration District:	Wandsworth
County:	London
Event Place:	Wandsworth, London, England
Volume:	1D
Page:	738
Line Number:	28

William James Archer probably married one of the following people
Name:	Mary Ann Baker
Name:	Mary Anne Chapman
Name:	Charles Thorpe

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William J. Archer

Ohio, County Death Records

Name:	William J. Archer
Event Type:	Death
Event Date:	11 Aug 1890
Event Place:	Steubenville, Steubenville City, Jefferson, Ohio, United States
Residence Place:	Steubenville
Gender:	Male
Age:	45
Marital Status:	Married
Race (Original):	white
Occupation:	Marble Cutter
Birth Year (Estimated):	1845
Birthplace:	England

Reference ID: v 2 p 192 , GS Film Number: 900038 , Digital Folder Number: 004017030 , Image Number: 245

familysearch - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F6J8-SMQ
 

 

Mary Ann "Annie" Archer nee Chapman (first wife)
find a grave memorial - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=137302402

Mary Ann Archer

Ohio, County Death Records

Name:	Mary Ann Archer
Event Type:	Death
Event Date:	08 Jun 1876
Event Place:	Steubenville, Steubenville City, Jefferson, Ohio, United States
Residence Place:	Steubenville
Gender:	Female
Age:	30
Marital Status:	Married
Race (Original):	white
Birth Year (Estimated):	1846
Birthplace:	England

Reference ID: v 1 p 114 , GS Film Number: 900038 , Digital Folder Number: 004017030 , Image Number: 98

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is the same as Annie Archer
find a grave memorial - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Archer&GSiman=1&GScid=43837&GRid=27355046

Steubenville Herald Star June 28, 1920 - Mrs Emma Lauretta Archer (2nd wife) obituary
 

Emma Lorettta Archer nee Elliott (2nd wife)
find a grave memorial - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=27355016

Emma L Archer

Ohio, Deaths

Name:	Emma L Archer
Event Type:	Death
Event Date:	27 Jun 1920
Event Place:	Steubenville, Jefferson, Ohio
Gender:	Female
Age:	70
Marital Status:	Widowed
Race:	White
Occupation:	At Home
Birth Date:	12 Jun 1850
Birthplace:	Steubenville, Ohio
Birth Year (Estimated):	1850
Burial Date:	30 Jun 1920
Cemetery:	Union
Father's Name:	Edw. Elliott
Father's Birthplace:	England
Mother's Name:	Sarah Yarrington
Mother's Birthplace:	Jeff Co., Ohio
Spouse's Name:	Wm. J. Archer

File Number: fn 43334 , GS Film number: 1991135 , Digital Folder Number: 004022036 , Image Number:

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Minnie Archer
find a grave memorial - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=137874820

Minnie Archer

Ohio, Births and Christenings

Name:	Minnie Archer
Gender:	Female
Birth Date:	24 Jul 1875
Birthplace:	Steubenville, Jefferson , Ohio
Father's Name:	W.J. Archer
Mother's Name:	M.A. Chapman

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04170-4 , System Origin: Ohio-ODM , GS Film number: 900039

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Minnie Archer

Ohio, County Births

Name:	Minnie Archer
Event Type:	Birth
Event Date:	24 Jul 1875
Event Place:	Steubenville, Jefferson , Ohio
Gender:	Female
Father's Name:	W.J. Archer
Mother's Name:	M.A. Chapman

GS Film number: 900039 , Digital Folder Number: 004017031 , Image Number: 00173
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Minnie Archer

Ohio, County Death Records

Name:	Minnie Archer
Event Type:	Death
Event Date:	18 Oct 1875
Event Place:	Steubenville, Steubenville City, Jefferson, Ohio, United States
Residence Place:	Steubenville
Gender:	Female
Age:	0
Marital Status:	Single
Race (Original):	white
Birth Year (Estimated):	1875
Birthplace:	Steubenville

Reference ID: p 96-97 # 61 , GS Film Number: 900038 , Digital Folder Number: 004017030 , Image Number: 89
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the same as find a grave memorial - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Archer&GSiman=1&GScid=43837&GRid=27355046

 

Harry Archer
find a grave memorial - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=137309887

Harry Archer

Ohio, County Death Records

Name:	Harry Archer
Event Type:	Death
Event Date:	01 Mar 1873
Event Place:	Steubenville, Steubenville City, Jefferson, Ohio, United States
Residence Place:	Steubenville
Gender:	Male
Age:	0
Race (Original):	white
Birth Year (Estimated):	1873
Birthplace:	South

Reference ID: p 58-59 # 67 , GS Film Number: 900038 , Digital Folder Number: 004017030 , Image Number: 70

familysearch - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F66T-72K

is the same as Harry Archer
find a grave memorial - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Archer&GSiman=1&GScid=43837&GRid=27355097

William "Willie" Charles Archer
find a grave memorial - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Archer&GSiman=1&GScid=43837&GRid=137309497

 

Charles W. Archer

Ohio, County Births

Name:	Charles W. Archer
Event Type:	Birth
Event Date:	08 Jan 1874
Event Place:	Steubenville, Jefferson, Ohio
Gender:	Male
Father's Name:	William J. Archer
Mother's Name:	Mary A. Chapman

GS Film number: 900039 , Digital Folder Number: 004017031 , Image Number: 00143

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Wm. Charles Archer

Ohio, County Death Records

Name:	Wm. Charles Archer
Event Type:	Death
Event Date:	24 Aug 1874
Event Place:	Steubenville, Steubenville City, Jefferson, Ohio, United States
Residence Place:	Steubenville
Gender:	Male
Age:	0
Race (Original):	white
Birth Year (Estimated):	1874
Birthplace:	Steubenville

Reference ID: p 82-83 # 41 , GS Film Number: 900038 , Digital Folder Number: 004017030 , Image Number: 82
familysearch - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F66T-H3K

is the same as Willie Archer, find a grave memorial - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Archer&GSiman=1&GScid=43837&GRid=27355179

The three sons, William E Archer, Walter Archer, Edward John Doe Archer

Her reply:
"Greetings,

Find A Grave contributor Dani Ryan has made a suggestion to you regarding your Find A Grave memorial for Minnie Archer.
Link to memorial: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=121707596
Link to contributor profile: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=mr&MRid=46812146
Email address of contributor: Freeholdpals@aol.com

No offense against and/or to anyone. Her first reply to me is "I have being doing genealogy for 30 years."

Their suggestion:
-------------------------
Mr Horner,
It is apparent that the Archer family is not directly related as it seems that records are being added to the memorials but nothing is proven or collaborated. William J Archer was married to an Annie Weir who died in England prior to coming here to America after his first wife's death with their daughter Lizzie, the only child born to the first union. He married second Emma Elliott to whom he had 6 children, all of whom lived to adulthood. The children are:

William Edwin
Charley H (aka Charles)
George E
Edward J
Grace
Walter

William, Charles (Charley), George, and Edward all married. Grace and Walter never married. William was born 10 Apr 1879 (which can be verified in the birth records and also on his draft information to which he gave the info) so it is impossible for him to be the Willie to whom I created the memorial on. William J the father never had a son named Harry so he is eliminated. Since his first wife Annie died in England, I am pretty certain that the one named Mary Ann is NOT his first wife, which brings for discussion the daughter Minnie that was buried with Annie. Minnie wasnt a daughter of his so that eliminates Annie and Minnie from being anyway related to this particular William J Archer. William had a total of 7 children (1 from his first marriage and 6 from the second)
Since I connect to the Archers and Horners of Jefferson County, Ohio and since I was born and raised here my whole life, I have researched my lines thoroughly. Documents cant be taken and made to fit whom one wants them to. I would appreciate it if the death registers were removed off my memorials I created as they are incorrectly identified with the wrong individuals as I have shown. Not only do I use tombstones but there are other records one can use to verify everything including but not limited to birth records, death records, marriage records, obituaries, wills, actual cemetery records from the cemeteries (not hand recorded in books), military records etc. Information off these records will fit without making them or forcing them to be what one wants. If it is the right line all information will flow together and verify itself. By the way there were numerous Archer families in Jefferson County, Ohio from early on to even now and it is an unsafe practice to "assume" a record belongs to a certain individual prior to eliminating each one or proving it beyond a doubt. The death registers that are attached to my memorials have no parents names to verify anything. I have been working for over 30+ years and have documentation each step to each person and every generation. I have also added to William J Archer's memorial information regarding his children and to whom they married and when. His obituary has been on his memorial since its inception. His wife Emma was living when he died and I am pretty certain she would have known a lot of information concerning his first wife as well.
In the future, please dont send tons of corrections unless they are fully verified and proven as that doesn no one any good to have memorials that are incorrect and makes the FindAGrave website filled with incorrect information people will copy and paste which creates erroneous websites such as ancestry, etc.
Your immediate cooperation is greatly appreciated in removing the registers and in the future, if one wants to make a suggestion the edit button works fine and if one doesnt see the corrects emailing and asking would be a great way to find out why. This is why I dont automatically change records on my memorials especially if I know I have researched them. I will state why I dont agree with a suggestion but the email system doesnt always send them to the recipient which is not in my control. Also one last thing, please remove Minnie from being a daughter of William J Archer as she isnt.

Thank you
Dani Ryan"

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Danice Ryan - Host of the Jefferson County Ohio GenWeb page:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohjeffer/
 

All Archer's buried in Union Cemetery, Jefferson County, Ohio on find a grave:

 

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSln=Archer&GSiman=1&GScid=43837

 

Any thoughts, concerns?

HELP!

 

R Horner

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